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And I am sure that computer does not work It is the same as buying on a fleamarket or a car boot sale, always not working. And not only with the 8235, but the 8245 too. Moslty drives are not working of other models like 8250 and sony 700

Since you have an interest as a commercial seller it is understandable but irritating that you try to let all buy from you alone.

But it is not wise for your business to tell all other sellers are unreliable. Not only because that is slander, it tells something about your business attitude too.

As a buyer all are free to decide where to buy and if to trust any seller. And in case of promises check and ask for guarantuees. With this old equipment all you can promise is that it works now. I doubt you give more.

I have bought 8235's and 8245's at fleamarkets for peanuts. Most were fine. Some required a new belt. Not a big deal, cheap material. I did buy a socalled good and tested machine once from a commercial seller and it was dead and clearly untested. Easy repair for me but one wonders...

vandyrk, I buy from both online auctions and Repair-Bas. Maybe his prices are a bit higher than those of items you can buy at online auctions or local fleamarkets. You can be sure though the hardware has been well tested and works just fine. I personally feel comfortable with that certainty. Shouldn't stop you using other sources to obtain your MSX gear, of course. If you happen to buy something which doesn't seem to function properly, this is a good place to ask for help.

When you are looking for a GOOD working MSX computer, then you can buy it by Bas. Then you are sure that the computer is Goodworking. Offcourse you can buy one at a Fleemarket, but most of the times they are not good working. Bas has a lot of computers to repair each month, that is not needed when they are goodworking and most of the times the bad computers are bought on Marktplaats or at a Fleemarket or something. I am standing behind Bas that he sells good computers and that he can be proud of that. It is not only commerciall business, but when there are other sellers who are selling bad computers, then the buyer has nothing, because not everyone can repair it himself. Offcourse I sell good computers too, but most of the time they had to repair by Bas. Is he a commerciall seller when he is fixing the mine ? so that I can sell it ? Offcourse not. He can tell the people that he has some items to sell, why not ? People can make their own choises.

I won't let this discussion end up into questionings about the credibility and attitude of specific sellers. The guy just searches an MSX2 computer. With the info given until now, the man knows what to do. This thread tends to become a tad bit too personal. Cut it out, please.

Well i fully understood Bas and MSXfemale.
The more i follow several forums here on MrC the more i see how HansO tries to set Bas into a dark light.
Maybe Bas makes some profit of the computer he sells but he does a lot to be sure his buyers get a full 100% working MSX for years of fun.
Bas need to do much work to repair the Diskdrives or need to drive by car to get some new drives from several places.
Sure you can buy a MSX from a fleemarket or Marktplaats.nl or whatever.
Maybe you got luck and you get a full working MSX and have fun for many year, but most of them lay for many years in a cupboard or some other places.
most of them got a btoken snare or a very dry one.
I bough also some MSX computers from marktplaats.nl or fleemarket and i must say that i got luck most time.
But if you want to be 100% sure i advise to buy one from Bas he replaces the snare or if nescesary he replaces the diskdrive for a new one..
It's up to you:
Take the risk for buying a MSX from internet or fleemarket or take one from Bas which is maybe 10 or 20 euro more expensive and being sure you bought one full working and tested MSX.

And why we argumenting all the time: He only posted if someone got a MSX2 for sale!!!
And Bas only said: i do, see my website.
Afterwards Bas did do some tips , ok maybe he should have used MOST computers instead of ALL.

...and there we are... a brand new, fresh MSX user/MRC member asks a perfectly simple question: "Where can I get a working 8235?". Not a hard question to answer. Was it really necessary to trouble him with personal and non-personal issues? I think not.

Indeed, if you want to buy an MSX computer and want to be absolutely sure it is in perfect condition, get it from Repair-Bas. There is no substitute. There are, however, many other ways to obtain MSX computers (marktplaats, eBay, fleamarkets, MRC trading forum) and in most cases you will get a working MSX computer as well. What can possibly be wrong with pointing a new MRC visitor to those possibilities?

In case something might be wrong with the computer you obtained, several problems are easily to fix, and if not I'm quite sure someone -like Repair-Bas- can help you out. To my personal experience, 19 out of 20 MSX computers obtained from the channels mentioned above worked just fine, but perhaps I was lucky. I don't see why pointing potential buyers to these options has to lead to such strong reactions. Yes, Repair-Bas offers double-checked, good working MSX computers, but that doesn't mean that all MSX computers obtained from others don't work or will break down in no-time, as that often simply is not the case. Besides, we're working with up to 23 year old devices. Sooner or later, all are prone to failure - even those bought from Repair-Bas. Stating 'and all of them with a broken diskdrive' is something you can not check, and simply is not true. At least one of them will have a working diskdrive ^_^.

Abi: I follow the MRC boards quite closely, but had not noticed HansO behaving the way you describe. As usual, if you feel any MRC user is out-of-line in any way on the MRC forum, please submit a moderator alert.

Ok Snout, i better should not write that line about HansO, Forgive me HansO it was me who was wrong then......

Wow... this is getting a long story

Let's try to be honest here.
@msxfemale: i have never said (and nobody has) that Repair-Bas sells bad computers. On the contrary, when you buy one from him you can be assured that you have a good working one!

But that doesn't mean that ALL other computers you can buy (apart from his) are defective ones.
Of the 10 i have bought from marktplaats.nl maybe 1 has had a defective diskdrive.
And as i can read here HansO, snout and Abi also had the same experience.
For exemple: a member of MSX Club Groningen recently bought a 8250 on a fleemarket for 5 euro and it was working perfectly!

Those philips msx-computers were so good produced that they will probably work after you have thrown them of the "Tower Of Cabin".

Whenever there is a problem with it, it's the discdrive.
But even when you have been unlucky and bought a computer with a defective drive for 5 or 10 euro, you can try to fix the problem yourself or let Repair-Bas fix the problem. No big deal!
We are not talking about costs of 100's or 1000's of euro's here.

A lot of ppl buy secondhand msx-es on marktplaats.nl or fleemarkets.
Msxfemale you do the same, just as Repair-Bas and myself and loads of others.
If you say ALL are defective, then why do you buy them from marktplaats.nl or fleemarkets?
Answer is simple: because they're not ALL defective! Most of them are perfectly in order.
You don't have to pretend it's not and say that the only way to get a working one is from Repair-Bas.

This guy that posted here is maybe new to the msx-scene and just want to start with a nice msx!
He could buy one from Repair-Bas or from msxfemale of from me or on marktplaats.nl or whatever!
But don twist the truth and lie to this newcomer in favor of ones own profit.
In the end we all live in the same MSX-world and have to get along a bit longer with eachother!

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a brand new, fresh MSX user/MRC member

Not that new, member since april 2003.
maybe a coincidence, but look at this www.vandyrk.de

Very well said, Serico. Nobody said that Bas sells bad computers, Bas said that all computers sold at martkplaats or fleetmarkets are broken. And that is of course not true.

I've obtained more than 150 homecomputers over the last few years and they come from various sources, including Marktplaats, fleetmarkets and commercial sellers like Bas. Some of them work, some are broken. Simple as that.

I have just one thing to say. He lives in Germany. The shippingcosts for a simple MSX are about 19 Euro's. I don't think that he wants to take the change of a broken MSX computer. I wouldn't have one. When he does buy a broken one, then he must have a belt or another diskdrive. Who says that he have that in Germany, otherwise he must sell that one too from The Netherlands and he must pay again shippingcosts.. Course, he can be lucky with buying a good one, but the change to get a good one on Marktplaats is less then 50 %. Believe me. He better can buy one at Ebay with a good seller. He pays a little more, but then he has a very good computer.

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Quote: a brand new, fresh MSX user/MRC member Not that new, member since april 2003. maybe a coincidence, but look at this www.vandyrk.de

Hi, that's right, I'm a member since few years, but not active -till now. The website you mentioned is indeed my homepage which will hopefully the biggest german MSX site in the future ;-).

I have an old MSX1-Computer - a Philips VG8010. It was called in Germany "Gummi-Eumel" - don't ask for a correct translation. Since MSX was not such a big success as compared to the Netherland, I had never ever the chance to get a good MSX2-computer. I'm using some emulators to play my old games, but this is not the same like the real one. So, I decided to get a "new" MSX.

I'm going to contact Bas, as some of you have recommended.

Tot ziens van Keulen, de mooiste stad von Duitsland... ;-)

vanDyrk

Welcome back!!!
Hope you will like it here and i am looking forward to your website, it looks nice already!

Eumel = dumm, aber dennoch recht liebenswürdig = stupid, but still really lovable.
Ruhrgebietsprache.

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Eumel = dumm, aber dennoch recht liebenswürdig = stupid, but still really lovable. Ruhrgebietsprache.

Gummi = rubber (because of the keyboard)

I didn't notice that Eumel is "still really lovable" ;-)