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Playing music while loading from Sunrise IDE

Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
Mensajes: 2269
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 00:50   
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I dont have an IDE Flash card yet,
but am planning to buy one.
Can I try this ´EVA´ ??

I never heard about it.
How does it work ??
Are there also some example videos I can check out ??

The new bluemsx is good enough ??

EVA is, afaik, the only proper video format for MSX. It combines 128x106 Screen 12 video at 10 or 12fps with 15kHz PCM sound. It's a pretty straight-forward format (apart from the interleaving of audio/video data in the 12fps version) which stores all the raw data in sequential order. The downside is that EVA files cannot be fragmented. The upside is that you get to view video files on your MSX at all! IIRC it was originally made for the MegaSCSI, but it was modded/tweaked/remade a couple of times, the newest result being the Sunrise IDE version. Anyhoo, check it out, I guess blueMSX should be able to replay one of those. If not, just try the WinEVA player to get a feel for what EVA is; pretty darn cool...
Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
Mensajes: 2269
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 00:51   
Oh, I had placed some example vids in the MSX section of the SymbOS yahoo group since Prodatron was going to look into supporting EVA for SymbOS. Try those if you can't find any other files to test.
norakomi
msx professional
Mensajes: 861
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 09:23   
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It combines 128x106 Screen 12 video at 10 or 12fps with 15kHz PCM sound.........

Is it easy to use it at a v9938 in screen 8??
Initially i wanted to use it in screen 5, for speed reasons, but I think screen 8 is fast enough ??
Im gonna check out those videos
norakomi
msx professional
Mensajes: 861
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 09:24   
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Oh, I had placed some example vids in the MSX section of the SymbOS yahoo group since Prodatron .

ehhm, where can i find that ?
Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
Mensajes: 2269
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 12:55   
Quote:

Quote:

It combines 128x106 Screen 12 video at 10 or 12fps with 15kHz PCM sound.........

Is it easy to use it at a v9938 in screen 8??
Initially i wanted to use it in screen 5, for speed reasons, but I think screen 8 is fast enough ??
Im gonna check out those videos

You don't need to do anything. It's a ready-made program. You just point it to the file you want to play using the commandline, and *poof* DivX for MSX! You can convert the vids on your PC, make a Screen8 and a Screen12 version and load the appropriate file depending on the VDP. Nothing to worry about, since it's all tested and found to work just fine. You could even include the MegaSCSI version of EVA in case the user has one of those...

What I meant with the Screen5 part is that you can, fairly easily, change the content of an EVA file to hold different video data. This is what Nyyrikki did to make his Dragon's Lair demo (which is screen 4), and this is what you would have to do if you really want to use Screen5. You'd need to change the init routine, and the VDP command used to send the data to the VDP. You'd also want to mod the thing a little so it's easier to load, doesn't return to DOS and maybe reacts to different keys.

I'd stick with screen8/12 though, since vids tend to look nicer on those screens. If you're going to make animations using normal screen 5 gfx you're probably better off making a big pattern animation or something though. Using bitbuster, some clever planning, 64kB (free) VRAM and whatever is left in RAM you can do some really neat stuff in Screen5.
norakomi
msx professional
Mensajes: 861
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 13:31   
I think I went to prodatron symbos page.
But I have no idea what symbos is.
So I couldnt find those eva files.

I also cannot find the eva player for msx.
I did find the english (translated) eva player for windows.
ARTRAG
msx master
Mensajes: 1802
Publicado: Julio 18 2006, 18:27   
Quote:



I'd stick with screen8/12 though, since vids tend to look nicer on those screens. If you're going to make animations using normal screen 5 gfx you're probably better off making a big pattern animation or something though. Using bitbuster, some clever planning, 64kB (free) VRAM and whatever is left in RAM you can do some really neat stuff in Screen5.



True, but if you want to do a cartoon "anime like",
screen 5 with dynamic palette could work very well

Dragon's lair demo (in screen4) shows that, with cartoons,
having only 16 colours and dynamic palette can
give excellent results.


Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
Mensajes: 2269
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 01:03   
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I think I went to prodatron symbos page.
But I have no idea what symbos is.
So I couldnt find those eva files.

I also cannot find the eva player for msx.
I did find the english (translated) eva player for windows.

First try to read my messages better, then try to look for the EVA player for the Sunrise IDE interface in some of the most logical places. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you put some effort into it.
tfh
msx addict
Mensajes: 496
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 10:46   
/me kinda wonders why we can't simple help him out, instead of sending him on a search.
I don't know where to find the files, but it shouldn't be too hard for someone who knows where to get them to print the URL over here, or if this can't be done, offer to mail them?

Sure, just make it harder for someone who is trying to develop something for MSX
norakomi
msx professional
Mensajes: 861
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 12:42   
yeah !!

norakomi
msx professional
Mensajes: 861
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 12:44   
ah, I found the eva player
Now still cant find the eva files you made sonic...

Oh, and another thing
When I try to convert an AVI file to EVA I type:

AVI2EVA STAFF.AVI STAFF.EVA
or
AVI2EVA <filename>.AVI <filename>.EVA -HSIZE128 -VSIZE106 -FPS12 -DITHER

but I get this error:

Cannot get video format
Cannot open 'STAFF.AVI'
Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
Mensajes: 2269
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 17:12   
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/me kinda wonders why we can't simple help him out, instead of sending him on a search.
I don't know where to find the files, but it shouldn't be too hard for someone who knows where to get them to print the URL over here, or if this can't be done, offer to mail them?

Sure, just make it harder for someone who is trying to develop something for MSX

Because he's a lazy git! I told him not 3 messages ago that 'I had placed some example vids in the MSX section of the SymbOS yahoo group'. There's nothing cryptic about that. It means you have to go to Yahoo Groups, find the SymbOS group and look in the MSX section of the files. Perhaps a detailed step-by-step description would've been better? I also don't see what's wrong with having to type 'MSX EVA player' in a search engine of your choise. I don't know the URL of these things by heart either, but it makes more sense to me that the person looking for the files does a search that would take all of 10 seconds. Seeing as how I'm clearly wrong though:

the URL for Yahoo is www.yahoo.com (type this in the address bar of your browser)
now log in to the yahoo network, if you have no yahoo account yet, click here
look for the word (or icon) 'groups' after the page has loaded
on the next page, type the word SYMBOS in the textbox titled 'Find a Group'
click the group calles SymbOS_CPC, which is about the SymbOS operating system
click join this group, follow the instructions given
now click on the 'Files' item on the left-hand side of the screen
next, click the 'MSX Related' folder in this section
the files related to EVA are what you're looking for

to find the EVA IDE player, try the following:
type www.google.com in the address bar of your browser
type 'MSX EVA IDE player' in the search box
click on the search button
the first result links to the page where you can find the EVA player

Sorry I wasn't this clear the first time. The required expertise for these tasks is clearly far too high for me to assume anyone can just do this...
Prodatron
msx master
Mensajes: 1113
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 18:21   
Erm, shit, sorry, I had to change the SymbOS group into a "closed" one last year because of some problems at work. Of course, when I have Norakomis email, I can invite him.
Latok
msx master
Mensajes: 1735
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 19:16   
And the version you'll find using www.google.com is v0.08. It's outdated. Latest release (I know of) is v0.10. Send me an e-mail norakomi and I send you the file. A more general note: it's often difficult to find the right utils. Especially if you're not that familiar with yahoo groups, irc, ftp and other msx hide outs....I believe we should all put more effort in creating an easy access MSX database. MRC Downloads is trying to be such a database, still, a lot, really A LOT of utils are missing.
norakomi
msx professional
Mensajes: 861
Publicado: Julio 19 2006, 19:23   
Quote:

Because he's a lazy git! I told him not 3 messages ago that 'I had placed some example vids in the MSX section of the SymbOS yahoo group'. There's nothing cryptic about that. It means you have to go to Yahoo Groups, find the SymbOS group and look in the MSX section of the files. Perhaps a detailed step-by-step description would've been better? I also don't see what's wrong with having to type 'MSX EVA player' in a search engine of your choise.

Lazy ?? Hmmm, well, What I AM is: Retarded,
since I have no clue what Yahoo Groups are.....
That was my initial barrier. Sure I googled for it, but as soon as I found something that could have been Symbos related I found myself in a maze of things I dont know much about.

 
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