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NYYRIKKI
msx master
Mensajes: 1503 |  Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 05:03 |
Ah, sorry, Dvik you are right... On MSX2 you can do 2.5K (For example 12fps EVA format goes beyond 2.5K), but in case of MSX1 it just does not work.
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dvik
msx master
Mensajes: 1302 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 07:43 |
Yeah, those slow outs are not only slowing things down. Its also making it harder to write code if you want to do as much fast blitting as possible.
But you can still do a decent scroller though. I don't think a 2-pixel scroller will look much different from a 1-pixel scroller.
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nikodr
msx addict
Mensajes: 453 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 14:02 |
What would you consider the game with the best and most smooth scroll from the golden days of msx (konami games for example) but only for msx1?
Parodius seems to have not so smooth scroll although it is one of the best games.
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manuel
msx guru
Mensajes: 3380 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 14:09 |
Pippols, but it's slow and vertical.
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hap
msx addict
Mensajes: 465 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 14:16 |
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jltursan
msx professional
Mensajes: 847 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 16:16 |
The omniscroll of "Theseus" without doubt. Using only horizontal scroll take a detailed look at "Malaika", it's one of the best examples of smooth scroll.
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scratch_disk
msx lover
Mensajes: 71 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 18:09 |
Remember the stone-age wheel man, who had to collect stones as tolls to pass to the next mountain? That was a really fast smooth horizontal scroll!
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jltursan
msx professional
Mensajes: 847 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 18:28 |
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PingPong
msx professional
Mensajes: 882 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 20:29 |
Thx, a lot to all. I will think about the game.
However, i want to make a msx1 60hz game, with no VDP tricks, so no tile mirroring / sprite mirroring etc. because i want to make available to all msx1. IMHO if a trick could be used, it MUST work on all msx, else is not standard.... 
So, at the cost of a 2 pixel scroller, and lowering fps, i think i will work in msx1 screen 2 standard mode.
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LeandroCorreia
msx addict
Mensajes: 449 | Publicado: Agosto 29 2007, 20:38 |
Commando Tracer, Smooth horizontal scroll... with parallax!  |
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PingPong
msx professional
Mensajes: 882 | Publicado: Agosto 31 2007, 20:35 |
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| Commando Tracer, Smooth horizontal scroll... with parallax!
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is a spectrum convertion or a true msx game? |
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jltursan
msx professional
Mensajes: 847 | Publicado: Agosto 31 2007, 20:41 |
A Spectrum conversion with a few true MSX details...; although good, not being the scroll one of them...  |
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LeandroCorreia
msx addict
Mensajes: 449 | Publicado: Agosto 31 2007, 22:25 |
Perhaps, but if Tracer has smooth scroll with Spectrum techniques, how good would a similar scroll be using only MSX real techniques?
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dvik
msx master
Mensajes: 1302 | Publicado: Agosto 31 2007, 22:55 |
I think Malaika and the GnG demo are good examples of what is possible. I'm sure its possible to improve these scrollers a bit but it gives an idea of whats possible on an MSX1.
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PingPong
msx professional
Mensajes: 882 | Publicado: Septiembre 01 2007, 11:45 |
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| A Spectrum conversion with a few true MSX details...; although good, not being the scroll one of them...
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What kind of details?
i see only the use of 4 sprites in the start screen ...
and a linear gradient effect on top...
they do not have make use of any msx feature... |
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