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Hmm...Personally, I think that the discussion that this thread has turned into, and which you like so much, is UTTERLY USELESS. It's like arueing with the pope about his belief: you can talk for hours and it gets you NOWERE. True, a midi SCC synth would be a nice thing for me...And that's why I would like to see it being realised...And therefore I want this thread to be CONSTRUCTIVE. So stop argueing about the WHY's and start discussing about the HOW's.

It's nice you could spot the sarcasm there. It's also nice (*cough*) you noticed I've given you all the help I could and have tried to be as constructive as possible. The HOW's have already come to a conclusion a bit earlier.

Next time you might want to be a little friendlier and show some appreciation.

This looks like a demand to me and generally people rarely react positively to demands. I for one am willing to help in such cases, but when people start things like "and I want it yesterday" it only results in... ehrm... how to say that gently... absolutely zippo.

OK, enough commenting each other

Don't get me wrong: I like the idea of a MIDI-controlled SCC. I'm very curious about what sounds you can get out of it, playing it from a master keyboard. But, I'm also trying to think practical here.

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OK, enough commenting each other

that's a remark which I fully agree with. It was part of the message of my missunderstood "why's / hows" post. When I was talking about the HOW's I wasn't talking about pratical HOW's as in HOW to program it, but about the HOW's as in: how to get it realised.

It was NOT AT ALL meant as a demand! As for the SCC synthesizer, obviously:

I need YOU people, and YOU don't need ME,

and I think that that's the point GUYVER800 is trying to make clear, am I right?

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Don't get me wrong: I like the idea of a MIDI-controlled SCC. I'm very curious about what sounds you can get out of it, playing it from a master keyboard. But, I'm also trying to think practical here.

I'm glad you like the idea. That't a very practical point.

As for the further practical use of an SCC synthesizer I can say the following:

It's probably not very interesting for the current MSX-scene. However, it WILL be interesting for musicians.

Currently, there's a similar project using the Commodore SID chip, called the Elektron SID Station. It's basically a C64 in a different housing and it's quite popular with musicians, though it hasn't got much to do with the Commodore 64.

And that's it's MAJOR STRONGPOINT:

Although in practice hardcore C64 users will not have much direct benefit of it, the INDIRECT benefits are MAJOR. I for one have got interested in the C64 by the SID-Station, and I'm an MSX-er!

Can you imagine!?!

Why shouldn't an MSX SCC synthesizer house the same potential? Why stay in your own street when there's a world out there!

I want to suggest people who are willing (and able) to work on this project to post in here what part they can do, so the first project using msx.org may be realised. Parts to make:

• MIDI input routine, parsing and converting MIDI data appropriately
  
• SCC output routine, to output the converted MIDI data (possibly even multiple SCC)
  Think about velocity detection (initial volume), note linking, pitch bends / slides, etc.
  
• FM-data to 32-byte wave convertor with an editor
  

If there's anybody being able to make some of these parts or put the whole thing together, please post it in this thread so there can be made a start on the synth.

BiFi: thank you very much!

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Hmm... My Spanish probably is just as bad as your Dutch, Warau, but I think I get the point. So here's the story in English: I would like te develop an SCC - SYNTHESIZER. In brief, I want to develop a piece of software that can do PULSEWIDTH modulation, or other "morphs", like a SINE-WAVE shaping in to a SQUARE, based on a LFO (Low Frequency Oscilator)...It's quite simple, but you can make really nice moving and living sounds that way... Any volunteer programmers? If you want to know more, please send me a mail so I can explain...

Hey Alex,

That's an excellent idea
I hope you find other interested MSX-people or musicians for this project, if you need some organizing, etc. work. Let me know !

Grtx: Edwin.

Since it looks like this is going somewhere, I would like to suggest giving the project a workname. I was thinking of something short containing SCC. What about:

SoniCC

For non MSX people it suggests that it has got something to do with sound, and for the MSX-ers it contains the precious SCC combination.

I'm currently working on a document about what "SoniCC" should consist of and what it should be able to do. I've also made some samples of my Jupiter 4 synth doing a dry, unfiltered PWM wave so you can get an idea of what it sounds like.

I havent got a website, so if you're interested send me an e-mail. The adress is rocoboard@hotmail.com.'>procoboard@hotmail.com. Anyone intersted in putting it online?

hmmm... too bad this didn't really get off the ground... A proper SCC software synth would be quite something Wolf?

Yeah, Wolf?
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If you want the SCC sound: it's just a sample player without interpolation. It might be hard to find an ordinary sample-player without interpolation, but once you found one you have the SCC sound. From that point of view it seems a bit irrelevant to use the physical SCC for something one could program.

Being a musician myself, I like the idea of using SCC sound in a studio set-up. Sure, the SCC is a very simple thing, but it's also quite versatile and I think it's capable of producing interesting and still quite characteristic sounds which can be very usable in a studio environment.
I think it'd be quite cool for some funky 70's fatness

However, using an actual MSX with SCC and MIDI might be a bit offputting. I, for one, wouldn't get into the hassle of setting up my almost dead MSX + SCC + MIDI interface + monitor etc in my studio.
But what about somthing like a Cubase VST Instrument/plug-in which emulates the SCC (maybe even a more than 5-voice version and some envelope generators, LFO's, waveform morphing etc)? Seems a lot more practical to me.
Maybe I'll try a proof of concept myself in a little java program (I already have the code to emulate SCC).

One only needs to find a softsampler with the option to use no interpolation.. and that's the trick. Most, let's estimate "all", softsamplers have perfect interpolation.

Hmm, I suppose you're right. Basically all the SCC does is loop 32 8bit samples.
Maybe the 'character' of the SCC is more in the used sounds by konami, possibly the lack of interpolation or filtering, and the low resolution samples. After all, many times the 'character' of an electronic instrument is defined by the use of low quality components (take the 303 for example, or even the SID).
Still, having easy access to these sounds in a MIDI set-up would be cool, for example by taking the most commonly used sounds as presets and set up LFO's and envelopes in the same way as was done by konami (delayed LFO for pitch, envelopes for volume), maybe adding a little bit more parameters to play with.