Poll/Discussion on the current state of the MSX NATION

By Ray Buster

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13-10-2016, 00:19

I guess being new to the forum, it shows me a lot my curiosity (and enthusiasm) about how things are currently in the msx community; to this I add that in recent months have accumulated on it a handful of new releases in physical edition (some still under development, however) as Bitlogic, Life on Mars, Codename: Intruder, Sector 88 or Oniric Kung-Fu. No doubt that the scene has excellent programmers and users who are improving existing software for the system (translations, technical improvements, remakes) or create new and great utilities, not to mention the (almost) eternal project MSXVR on which we still have to see how, when and how much...

So I enter this in the blender and launched the following questions/issues; each of one could have it's own thread (and I suspect that they are arising cyclically according to the "seasons" occur), the better the number and so there is order. Thanks in advance!

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A big one: what do you expect as MSX users today? What would be your main demand?

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All those who are collectors and spend your money on (only an illustrative example) complete your catalog of Ponyca cartridges... you give the same value to the physical release of new games?

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In line with the previous question ... what is your "fair" price for a physical release of a new game for MSX? Would you give a different value depending on the generation (MSX-MSX2-2 + -TurboR) or depending on the packaging?

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What is your real assessment on the current software? Does it meet your expectations as users? Do you feel that you resign? Are ye demanding that software? -> Which leads to another question: Can one / should be demanding with a retro system?

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Do you think that the MSX community (or various groups that compose it) MSX is more or less active than other systems? Will you define broadly as a closed or open to new users?

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Final question. Do you consider that community (again, generally speaking) is cohesive and united when presented the opportunity for conventions or when it is published new software and other materials related to MSX?

Should it be necessary, I emphasize a purely journalistic desire on my part behind all these issues; all have been raised from a neutral position avoiding position myself in the statement to encourage them as open and transparent as possible debate. In parallel, also I will post this in the spanish forums (sure all of you noticed I'm spanish despite my excellent command of written English :-P), so if someone feels more comfortable there, so be it.

Thank you!

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By Vampier

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13-10-2016, 02:36

the MSX community is deeply divided and has had loads of drama in the past. But in the end we all have the same goal... have fun with the platform that most of us grew up with.

I don't collect and I don't care about money... that's why I contribute to emulation software... just to keep the platform alive for future generations to play with.

By Ray Buster

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15-10-2016, 02:07

Thanks for your comment.

I see this is a topic with minor interest or maybe the forum is too shy :-P

By wolf_

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15-10-2016, 09:43

A big one: what do you expect as MSX users today? What would be your main demand?

Not much. Not because people don't want to, but because most of us are 30+, 40+, with demanding jobs, families, other hobbies etc.


All those who are collectors and spend your money on (only an illustrative example) complete your catalog of Ponyca cartridges... you give the same value to the physical release of new games?

I rate a game, not the medium. If a game is good, it's good. Can be a cartridge or a download.


In line with the previous question ... what is your "fair" price for a physical release of a new game for MSX? Would you give a different value depending on the generation (MSX-MSX2-2 + -TurboR) or depending on the packaging?

No idea. For what generation of MSX game has been made is irrelevant. Maze of Gallious took longer to make tnan Columns/MSX2. So MoG can have a higher price tag. In the end it's up to the maker(s) to decide about pricing, regardless of any polls, opinions, statistics etc.

What is your real assessment on the current software? Does it meet your expectations as users? Do you feel that you resign? Are ye demanding that software? -> Which leads to another question: Can one / should be demanding with a retro system?

Major issue is that no one ever required/supported full-spec systems. Like a meaty v9990 game with full opl4 support and mass storage for fast loading of vast content. We did get such nice expansions over the years, but in the end few seem to care about it.

Do you think that the MSX community (or various groups that compose it) MSX is more or less active than other systems? Will you define broadly as a closed or open to new users?

It's rather inactive. It's always open to new users of course, but compared to other retro systems the spark is missing. There's no competition left, no urge to tackle challenges in the field of games and demos.

Final question. Do you consider that community (again, generally speaking) is cohesive and united when presented the opportunity for conventions or when it is published new software and other materials related to MSX?

Generally cohesive. But as with any scene, there're always a few wars left to battle, and there are some soldiers fighting for that. In the end, those soldiers will always loose the fight, no matter how big their egos are. Hannibal

By ARTRAG

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15-10-2016, 10:45

Ray Buster wrote:

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A big one: what do you expect as MSX users today? What would be your main demand?

Nothing. Same as Wolf. At 40+ priorities are elsewhere

Ray Buster wrote:

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All those who are collectors and spend your money on (only an illustrative example) complete your catalog of Ponyca cartridges... you give the same value to the physical release of new games?

I'm not a collector. I buy only new games to support coders.

Ray Buster wrote:

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In line with the previous question ... what is your "fair" price for a physical release of a new game for MSX? Would you give a different value depending on the generation (MSX-MSX2-2 + -TurboR) or depending on the packaging?

The values depends on the value of the game. Msx2 and upper is not a value by itself. In the years I have seen many crappy homebrew titles becoming carts for msx 2 and up.

Ray Buster wrote:

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What is your real assessment on the current software? Does it meet your expectations as users? Do you feel that you resign? Are ye demanding that software? -> Which leads to another question: Can one / should be demanding with a retro system?

I do not use msx anymore for anything practical, if not (sporadically) looking at new games.
If you ask if I'm demanding on the games I test , the answer is yes, do not publish crap, please.

Ray Buster wrote:

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Do you think that the MSX community (or various groups that compose it) MSX is more or less active than other systems? Will you define broadly as a closed or open to new users?

no idea, define community

Ray Buster wrote:

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Final question. Do you consider that community (again, generally speaking) is cohesive and united when presented the opportunity for conventions or when it is published new software and other materials related to MSX?

no idea. Anyway, I might be wrong, but something tells me you ask because you are scared of publishing your developments. You can also release your crappy experiments, but all is in the way you present them.
My suggestion is to avoid to sell it as a cart if you do not feel you creature is mature, or in the best case, it will be ignored.

By Ray Buster

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15-10-2016, 14:27

Thanks wolf_ and ARTRAG.

No, I'm not a developer or publisher. I know a few and got my own opinions about this topics, but as I say in the first post, my curiosity is journalistic based. The questions are exposed trying to figure all kind of ideas an I really want to know how is the actual state of the "nation" <--- this and "community" are just euphemisms. A short way to simplify the discussion. But I know that's a big topic to discuss by itself too ;-)