What is the history behind Green Beret?

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By AxelStone

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14-10-2016, 14:04

Sometimes I ask about this MSX game. It's hard to believe that Konami didn't make any quality control during game development and let the UK team to make the complete game. If a minimal quality control should be made, tha game should be canceled after first one and the development should be moved to a Japanese team.

Why in the hell Konami allowed this game to be sold?

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By hamlet

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14-10-2016, 15:01

I also wondered how Konami could release such a mess. Imagine Software did several ports of Green Beret for C16, ZX Spectrum and MSX.
Best in bad ist the MSX Version.
It´s also sold in that rare small european case, isn´t it?

By Vampier

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14-10-2016, 17:04

I was Konami's evil test run with their European studio... they did not disappoint showing their lack of vision... and showed they where stuck in the ZX spectrum era of bad programming. One of the reason why there are so many unimaginative games on the amgia 500 as well. So much blitter power and still A LOT of shitty games that are directly inspired by yetset willy (the most overhyped worst game ever created)

Here is to you great Brittain... land of bad games and crappy music in games.

(ps. RARE sort of redeemed themselves with donkey kong country)

By meits

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14-10-2016, 17:58

Activision is/was Brittish as well... They do some nice stuff now... Back then it was ok, but always tended to look horrible...

By tvalenca

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14-10-2016, 18:19

Meits wrote:

Activision is/was Brittish as well... They do some nice stuff now... Back then it was ok, but always tended to look horrible...

AFAIK Activision is from USA, it born from the wronged ATARI programmers who rebelled themselves. A lot of great ATARI 2600 programmers which, among other things, were never allowed to take credit for what they did for ATARI. David Crane, Carol Shaw... lots of them.

By Hrothgar

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14-10-2016, 18:43

Vampier wrote:

Here is to you great Brittain... land of bad games and crappy music in games.

Hey, you're insulting Gremlin here!

(Granted, most of their games also suffer from a lot of Spectrumisms, but they show a lot of originality and quality as well, especially the music which was in certain cases among the best you'll find for PSG-only.)

By PingPong

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14-10-2016, 19:00

hamlet wrote:

I also wondered how Konami could release such a mess. Imagine Software did several ports of Green Beret for C16, ZX Spectrum and MSX.
Best in bad ist the MSX Version.
It´s also sold in that rare small european case, isn´t it?

Green Beret is a very hard game to make on msx. Sprites are multicolored, and Large (the truck), plus the scrolling (a weak point on msx) make making the game a true challenge. Honestly i cannot immagine something graphically better than they have done, on msx1

By meits

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14-10-2016, 19:46

tvalenca wrote:
Meits wrote:

Activision is/was Brittish as well... They do some nice stuff now... Back then it was ok, but always tended to look horrible...

AFAIK Activision is from USA, it born from the wronged ATARI programmers who rebelled themselves. A lot of great ATARI 2600 programmers which, among other things, were never allowed to take credit for what they did for ATARI. David Crane, Carol Shaw... lots of them.

Then they must've had a UK based devision. I never did wiki research about activision but back in the day when I read the reviews in the national MSX magazine they always wrote it was yet another typical British product.

By tvalenca

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14-10-2016, 20:07

Meits wrote:

Then they must've had a UK based devision. I never did wiki research about activision but back in the day when I read the reviews in the national MSX magazine they always wrote it was yet another typical British product.

No harm here then. Makes a lot of sense an european division of Activision, since Atari computers made a lot of success on europe.

EDIT: According to Wikipedia, Activision was founded on oct 1st 1979 in Santa Monica, CA, USA.

By ARTRAG

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14-10-2016, 21:13

How could have been Green Beret on msx (2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkyarIw8PME

By AxelStone

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15-10-2016, 11:04

PingPong wrote:

Green Beret is a very hard game to make on msx. Sprites are multicolored, and Large (the truck), plus the scrolling (a weak point on msx) make making the game a true challenge. Honestly i cannot immagine something graphically better than they have done, on msx1

It's very easy to improve graphics of Green Beret on MSX1: use colors. The use of colors in MSX version is awful, it seems plain Spectrum, MSX1 has a very nice color palette. Assuming 1 color sprites (as actual game) and tile scroll (the usual on MSX1) the backgrounds should be improved a lot, making a good use of palete colors. The speed is really low too, MSX1 can do it clearly better in speed terms.

The actual game is a bad Spectrum port.

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