Konami cartridges poll down, #msxdev Compo 2012 poll up

All MSXdev'10 entries were games, here you want to compare apples (= games) and pears (=demos), it's not fair for demos as big majority of MSX fans prefer games. Fans of sites like http://www.pouet.net/ dedicated to demos are in another world : I can also citate big multi-platforms contests for demos, they have even many sub-categories to not mix too different kinds of demos !

Besides, you can't play a demo, you can only enjoy it. Two polls should be a better option, one for the games, one for the demos. Unfortunaly, some developers don't want to understand that, they are probably thinking that the end-users don't have the right to think differently, it's for me a form of deadly blindness.

Easy solution: simply vote for the entry that you enjoy most. Doesn't matter that you enjoy games and demos differently.
Besides, nothing wrong with KISS (keep it simple, stupid).

Makes one wonder....

Mars2k: in the older MRC challenges (underwater, bounce etc.) there were - iirc - also games alongside demos. I don't think I remember you complaining there about games 'n demos being in the same race.

ps. the MSXdev'10 reference wasn't meant to equal game and demo entries into one kind - as you seem to think. It's only meant to point out that a third party can do a poll.

Well, I for one don't like IRC or chatting in general. Would have preferred an online form to vote. From others I hear that they don't enjoy being on the channel on which the voting should had taken place.

People are old enough to realize they can put any grudges and bad feelings aside for the sake of voting for people's efforts for their favorite retro computer.

Why they choose to act like 5 year olds instead, and let their grudges interfere with supporting their fellow MSXers, is beyond me.

If you look at the previous poll, you'll notice it got 176 votes in some 7 weeks time. 176 is a figure you'll never get on IRC. And allright, not every poll @ MRC ends with 176, but still some 50..100 votes would be quite doable, and probably enough to make a balance judgement for a contest. And whether or not the actual IRC channel has anything to do with isn't even relevant; many people just aren't into chatting and/or chatting on IRC, they chat using contemporary social media at best; Facebook 'n such, or GChat, or.. uh.. is MSN still in the air? ^^. The reason some of us are using IRC is probably because we've been doing so since halfway the 90's, when social media wasn't here yet (or it was, but it was called 'IRC' or 'forum' or 'mailing list'), but it's really a minority among MSX users who use IRC. So if you want votes: do a website poll. Forget IRC, really, for audience voting it doesn't work.

For people like me who haven't used IRC almost ever, the process of voting was too troublesome. I instantly forget the idea of voting when I read something about IRC and stuff. So for everyone arranging these polls: make it easy and accessable to as many people as possible, otherwise you might be left without votes.

People tend to stick to what they know, Arkan

If is was so easy to vote ,with IRC link and everything
and people STILL didnt vote
There must have been some other reason..

mars and I recall. And for no reason.

For sure a nice presentation to the rest of the word...

I think i Exactly know what the reason is too.
And it has been proven now;
Nobody (except the one voter) WANTS to go #MSXdev for some reason.
This "easy" votingsystem has proven it...

Denying the truth doesn't make it any less true.

What's your reason for not going? Considering you sit in #msx on the same IRC server and tell people NOT to go to #msxdev. What is YOUR reason for not voting?

You guys expend more efforts going against things instead of just going with them for the greater good.

It's pretty pathetic, really. When did you plan on growing up?

So, you'll act fine and normal in person, in front of others and possibly on camera, but on the internet you choose to continue to act like a prick in regards to all of these things?

Yeah, that's TOTALLY growing up.

Maybe you're just too spineless to be this way in person and can only manage to do it within the confines of the internet.

yes on your avatar you got red hear... not seen that in real life

I'd wager that this is the case. Much like most people who act like this on the internet, and then act all cordial in person as if they're a different person.

As usual. You have no valid rebuttal, so you leave. Now, I bet someone will come back you up and you will just come in, quote them, and then say "ja, ja".

Now, why is it that you didn't bother to vote, if you're such a great guy? Clearly you're more interested in your personal feelings as opposed to advancing a new competition. That is completely childish.

Arkhan, when you've been insulted not one time but many times, there's a French proverb that has its full meaning and you don't care for the secondary effects :

La vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid

Also known in English :

Revenge is a dish best served cold

Revenge is counterproductive in the world of a dying 30 year old computer with a collective community that is small enough to fit into a McDonalds.

Well, there's possibly time left before the horse gets beaten to death, should people demonstrate that they actually care enough about the MSX to let things go .

Amen to that, bro.

And let's now move on to more productive discussions again. I, for one, am curious what the outcome of this poll will be, and also how much votes will appear.

so all are gona vote for PD?

I agree, all this fuzz is spoiling the fun: sorry Zett, I voted for Inferno.
PD seems a bit repetitive to me.
Inferno is technically more advanced and, as subject, a bit less exploited (even if animations aren't its strong point and you do not know what to do for quite a long time)

JohnHassink: have you considered the time that goes into putting up the website? Writing the guidelines, news and keeping an overview of the entries?
Stop being a dick by discrediting people's efforts in the MSX 'community'.

Though with the attitudes displayed here, I would hardly call this a community... Fuck... Gotta love the negativity in this scene.

Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Ah, okay. Yes, that was indeed what I thought you meant. My apologies.

But, uuuhhh, one more thing I have to get off my chest: I'm not on MRC every day, true, but I can't say to have seen any comments here in the vein of "hey, pssst, absolutely don't go to that IRC channel to vote!"
Not by visitors, members, and especially not from MRC crew. Some users may have a problem with other users, but I can state with dry eyes that the contest has been 100% officially supported here at MRC, and rightly so. Do I really have to explain this, seeing as no less than three members of the MRC crew actually joined it, and enthousiastically at that? That's what I'm talking about.

There is usually no censoring, removing, locking, banning here, so yes, people are able to vent their frustrations with certain people/organisations/groups freely. This has advantages as well as negative effects, but, and I speak on my own behalf - I wouldn't want it any other way.
But it's hard to keep everyone happy.

Lock topic       / remove comments     --> OMG MRC = censoring nazi scum!!!11
				           They do not want the truth to be heard!

Leave topic open / not remove comments --> OMG MRC = slandering nazi scum!!!11
				           Leaving the backbiting there on purpose!

So... what am I supposed to do then, as an admin/moderator/thing? And trying to maintain reasonable neutrality, because I really wish for everyone to get along? If, no matter what I do, it's always wrong, anyway?

Peace!

@ syn: Well, maybe I indeed misread, that's possible, but I thought to have seen some comments suggesting that people were discouraged on this site to vote on IRC. So, official announcement:
"We as MRC are not responsible for the individual behavior of our users. We are not The Borg."

And, you're right, syn - as I feel it's been off-topic long enough (and so have I):
I stick with my opinion about preferring a 'normal', official poll by #msxdev, so, on the site. Not IRC.
Besides that, I'm sure that the next edition may spawn an even greater quantity of cool productions as we've seen in this first issue!
As they say - every beginning is difficult.

Yes. As harsh (but honest) as it may sound - just don't expect people to vote on IRC.

To vote you have to ...[insert name of technology that only few people know or use anymore] ... And then blame all of the audience, because this doesn't work? With all respect, this feels a bit like the thing in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where the plans for bulldozing Earth could be read on a bulleting board on Sirius (or something).

I actually do use IRC, but only some very specific channels. For some reason, I have a very high barrier of joining new channels. Anyway, when I tell anyone about using IRC, they usually don't know what it is, or then they're like... WTF, IRC, you can't be serious, I guess you also hang around on Usenet newsgroups as well?

http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/24/irc-is-dead-long-live-irc/

By the way, the voting scheme might not be the only problem. It's generally very difficult to get people's attention on the internet, and there's any number of ways to fail. It's called communications, marketing and public relations, and some people just cannot do that stuff. ;)

I don't know about FUD, but apparently there's some kind of a problem in communication. Do you perhaps assume that people carefully read and think about all the text you put on a web page, and can usually correctly guess what kind of community and culture is the page's intended target audience and the group of people behind the message? False assumptions... I went to your page, saw the word IRC and I saw the web thing mentioned. I thought, this feels complicated, it's probably meant for a very special group who's really into this. Maybe I'll get back to it later when I have more time.

It's not a big deal, don't feel bad about it. You just failed in the single most difficult and complex thing in the world, communication.

That's why I said next time we'll just not mention the letters "IRC".
A lot of chats on the WWW are secretly (based on) IRC and oftentimes you can connect to them with a IRC client if you figure that out. The ignorant just use it without knowing, while at the same time being all "IRC SOUNDS SCARY"...

ignorance is bliss

To be honest, I didn't really understand the whole thing with judges' results being ready. Only after reading this post and the comments I got some clue. It's not that I was even interested before. I got interested in thd whole msxdev thingy only now, after seeing that the '13 edition targets 16k+16k+MSX1, which seemed small and simple enough, and so I started to make a game. (I only have memory allocation and data structure plans in Excel, and a few sprites on the screen so far)

If I had been super interested, I would probably have learned all this sooner.

#msxdev Compo 2013 is not MSXdev'13...
The names may be confusing, but #msxdev was there first. (And it's doing great, visitor-wise)

And speaking of failing communication, I wasn't calling you (yzi) ignorant, which you seem to be thinking...

Since 2002 there was a chatchannel on IRC called #msxdev

Then some ppl started a msx 1 GAMES contest called MSXdev (the MSXdev'12, MSXdev'11 etc etc), the one you (yzi) are referring to.

Last year saw the first edition of #msxdev Compo (what this newspost/poll is all about), a basically a free for all msx competition, the official competition of the IRC chatchannel (therefore voting takes place there).

To make stuff more complicated/confusing, http://msxdev.msxblue.com/ (originally home of the msxdev 'xx contest), which just reports every single game released/announced in a msx related contest on their website.

Just lies :
- not any problem with Karoshi, as I may make available the roms of an edition of msxdev' contest when this edition is over (that's an agreement that I have with Karoshi that considers http://msxdev.msxblue.com/ as an archive site for msxdev' games)
- I've presented all the games of other contests, what means 5 of the 7 #msxdev Compo 2012 entries, and added 2 links to my main site http://www.msxblue.com/ with extended reviews of the 2 other entries that are demos :

http://www.msxblue.com/?page_id=8261

http://www.msxblue.com/?page_id=8275

@mars2000you:
No lies, various members of the original MSXdev'xx organization expressed their annoyance about your site.

You live in a fantasy world of your own, where you think you are providing a service to MSX users while in reality you are really just annoying MSX developers and MSX organizers alike. These are the people that make MSX happen...

And then you complain about being insulted when people get angry with you...

So, Inferno is in the lead, followed by Pixiedust and even Barebone Bullets!
Interesting results so far!

I voted for Pixiedust myself as it felt the most complete, and because it is a nice casual game; something the MSX could use more of. Mind to zero and fly through the woods

Pixie Dust for exactly the same reaon you just said
Inferno looked good in the beginning but failed to deliver

The one where you and your buddies in #msx told me not to go to #msxdev when I was still very new to the scene.

It's a good thing I tend to ignore advice like that and prefer to see it for myself, because you all couldn't have been more wrong about #msxdev.

Guys.. take the discussion elsewhere please. Go snuggle up to each other in the room of people that #care on IRC...

Could you write the name of the competition correctly, Jorito? People are getting confused.

Very nice quote, it's adapted to this strange dialogue of the deaf

For your preferred game, although I've voted for Inferno, you need to vote for Pixiedust because John Hassink has made the music, check the source : http://www.infinitemsx.com/files/pd-src.zip

PD is awesome

*peep*

nice sound clip needs more nice woman in it to make it more populair.

:D